Monday, November 7, 2011

Netanyahu Clarifies New Position Towards PA

Netanyahu explains with great clarity Israel's new position regarding the PA, building in Jerusalem and the West Bank. It has been obvious that something had changed in recent days/weeks and now we have an explanation.

Netanyahu: 'PA reneged on central Oslo tenet"

Palestinian pursuit of unilateral statehood goes against the 1993 Oslo Accords with Israel, Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu said Monday during closed-door discussions in his office.

“By boycotting negotiations and by going instead to the United Nations, they [the Palestinians] have reneged on a central tenet of Oslo,” Netanyahu said.

He spoke in advance of a report that a UN Security Council sub-committee is expected to deliver Friday regarding a request by the Palestinians to be recognized as a fully fledged UN member.

Although the US is expected to veto the membership request, the Palestinians have continued to pursue membership. In addition, they have submitted similar requests to a number of UN related bodies and international organizations.

Last week, UNESCO recognized Palestine as its 195th member.

The Palestinians have refused, at the same time, to negotiate a final status solution with Israel.

Netanyahu said that within the framework of the Oslo Accords, Israel pulled out of large sections of the West Bank.

It paid a territorial price, because according to Oslo, the Palestinians had made a commitment to solve all outstanding issues and disputes through direct negotiations.


In other words, what Mr Netanyahu is saying here is that Israel has complied with the Oslo Peace Accords, signed in 1993 - to the point of pulling out of Gaza, large sections of the West Bank and has prohibited building in parts of Jerusalem. Meanwhile, the PA has continued to ignore the provisions of the Oslo Accords, and the crowning blow was bypassing negotiations in this most recent bid for UN membership as an independent state.

Mr Netanyahu is now saying 'enough is enough'.

Israel, last week, took a number of punitive measures against the PA for its pursuit of unilateral statehood.

It temporarily suspended the transfer of tax funds to the PA, and it authorized the construction of 2,000 new homes in Jewish neighborhoods in eastern Jerusalem and West Bank settlements.

An Israeli official warned Monday that Israel could take further steps against the PA.


In some circles this is called playing "hard ball". If the PA is going to ignore the Oslo Accords, why should Israel continue to be obedient to Oslo, to their detriment?

“If they renege on agreements they have to know that there is a price to be paid for the route they have chosen,” the official said.

“Only if they understand that there are consequences for such behavior is it likely that they would resume negotiations.”

The Inner Cabinet, a forum of eight ministers is likely to meet this week to weigh additional steps against the PA.


It looks like the gloves have come off and Israel will accept the PA's stance of ignoring the Oslo Accords.

As they say, this is getting real.

Meanwhile, we have this unbelievable act of unprofessionalism by the French President and the U.S. President

Report: Sarkozy calls Netanyahu "liar"

Microphones accidently left on after G20 meeting pick up private conversation between US, French presidents. Sarkozy admits he 'can't stand' Israeli premier. Obama: You're fed up with him? I have to deal with him every day!

According to a Monday report in the French website "Arret sur Images," after facing reporters for a G20 press conference on Thursday, the two presidents retired to a private room, to further discuss the matters of the day.

The conversation apparently began with President Obama criticizing Sarkozy for not having warned him that France would be voting in favor of the Palestinian membership bid in UNESCO despite Washington's strong objection to the move.

The conversation then drifted to Netanyahu, at which time Sarkozy declared: "I cannot stand him. He is a liar." According to the report, Obama replied: "You're fed up with him, but I have to deal with him every day!"

The remark was naturally meant to be said in confidence, but the two leaders' microphones were accidently left on, making the would-be private comment embarrassingly public.

"By the time the (media) services at the Elysée realize it, it was on for at least three minutes," one journalist told the website. Still, he said that reporters "did not have a chance to take advantage of this fluke."

The surprising lack of coverage may be explained by a report alleging that reporters present at the event were requested to sign an agreement to keep mum on the subject of the embarrassing comments.

A member of the media confirmed Monday that "there were discussions between journalists and they agreed not to publish the comments due to the sensitivity of the issue."


And this is how we treat our ally?

Carolyn Glick gives us some much needed perspective:

Our World: Waiting out Obama

Over the past week, there has been an avalanche of news reports in the Israeli and Western media about the possibility of an imminent Israeli or American strike on Iran’s nuclear installations. These reports were triggered by a report on Iran’s nuclear program set to be published by the UN’s International Atomic Energy Agency later this week.

According to the media, the IAEA’s report will deal a devastating blow to Iran’s persistent claims that its illegal nuclear program is “peaceful.”

As for the option of an Israeli strike on Iran, assuming a tactical nuclear strike is not under consideration, Israel probably lacks the ability to completely destroy Iran’s nuclear facilities on its own. Unlike the US, Israel would have to limit any operation in Iran to destroying the most dangerous Iranian nuclear facilities while leaving others untouched.

THE LIMITED nature of an Israeli strike could enable Iran to rebuild its nuclear capabilities. If so, Israel would likely need to launch another strike later on.

Unlike the US, Israel would have no international coalition to fight with. Jerusalem would face the unpalatable prospect of being condemned for its action by UN and other international bodies, including by states that would quietly support it.

Most importantly, given the likelihood that Iran’s proxies would launch a new round of aggression against Israel in response to a strike on its nuclear installations, Israel would be beset by a multi-front war at a time when much of its Air Force and perhaps other strategic assets are out of the country.


Right off the pages of biblical prophecy. Now we get to the US 'foot dragging' on the issue of Iran:

Speaking to reporters in Washington a senior US military official said that the US continues to view the prospect of an Israeli strike against Iran’s nuclear installations as just as problematic as a nuclear armed Iran.


Well, unless you are Israel and firmly in the crosshairs of a dictator who openly calls for Israel's destruction on a weekly basis.

More painful truths below:

THE OBAMA administration’s stubborn refusal to acknowledge the obvious fact that a nuclear armed Iran constitutes a far greater danger to US interests than an Israeli military strike to deny Iran nuclear capabilities is in line with the administration’s consistent refusal to treat Israel as an ally.

Its unserious handling of Iran is of a piece with its gentle policies towards Hamas and Hezbollah, its refusal to call Fatah on its bad faith, its blindness to the threat emanating from Islamist movements in Turkey and North Africa, and its consistent pressure on Israel to appease its enemies.

The administration’s apparent antipathy for Israel has played a significant role in causing it to underestimate the threat that all these forces pose not only to Israel but to the US and to international security in general.

Under Obama, the US betrayed its most important Arab ally when it called for then-Egyptian president Hosni Mubarak to resign in response to the anti-regime demonstrations in Cairo.

America is supporting the Muslim Brotherhood takeover of Tunisia, Libya and Egypt. It supports the Muslim Brotherhood-dominated, Turkish organized Syrian opposition to Assad’s regime. It upholds Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan and his Islamist, anti-Semitic and anti-Western regime as the US’s greatest regional ally.


Perhaps the saddest truth of all:

At least until the US presidential elections next year, Israel’s best bet may be to simply step up its covert efforts to sabotage Iran’s nuclear program.

The goal of these efforts should be to slow down Iran’s nuclear progress sufficiently to prevent it from developing a nuclear arsenal or moving its nuclear project to hardened locations until after the US presidential elections.

In the meantime, Israel should continue to develop its independent capacity to attack Iran. It should also take military action to weaken Iran’s terror proxies in order to limit their capacity to wage war against Israel in the aftermath of an eventual, post-presidential election Israeli or US strike against Iran’s nuclear facilities.

22 comments:

WVBORN56 said...

Okay Scott now you have my blood pressure up with that article on Sarkosy and Obama calling Bibi a liar. I don't think I have ever been this upset with an American President. I hope the liberal Jewish community wake up and help boot him out of office. He is such an embarassement.

Robin said...

On my way to read up . . .but wanted to mention, no sooner thad my kids in OK reported another 4.7 quake about 45 minutes ago . . .than a 6.9 occurred in Taiwan. Earthquake activity is certainly heating up.

Seth said...

I can see this scenerio playing out... "If the PA is ignoring Oslo along with Israel, nobody wins. Why don't we sign a temporary deal so we can hash out all the fine print. Do you think seven years is enough time?"

Another thing I heard today that really just threw me for a loop was while I was listening to a radio program by a Christian organization that I'll leave anonymous. They were talking about a middle school kid who was being censored on a project because it "had too much Jesus in it" while other kids' projects had hints of sexuality, foul language etc. The thing that caught my attention is when the host said something to this effect: "Now the Bible says that in the end times it would be like this for Christians. I'm not saying we're there yet, but it certainly seems to be sort of leaning in that direction." Are you KIDDING me? OF COURSE we're in the end times! I just couldn't believe that this guy on a Christian radio program was afraid to say that time is short, and we'd better get serious about Jesus...NOW. Sigh... what's wrong with this era of Christianity. Laodicea all over it. Come soon, Lord Jesus.

Mrs. C said...

From Carolyn's article:

"Moreover, if the US, rather than Israel attacks Iran’s nuclear installations, Israel will be able to devote all of its own resources to fending off missile and ground assaults from Iran’s proxy regimes in Gaza, Lebanon and Syria.

Between them, Hamas, Hezbollah and Syrian President Bashar Assad have some 100,000 missiles aimed at Israel. For the past two years Hizbullah has been planning a ground offensive against northern Israel in conjunction with a missile offensive. Syria has chemical weapons."

"100 thousand missiles aimed at Israel"

Anonymous said...

This kind of behaviour by Mr. Sarkozy REALLY SCARES me....

I am thinking that he REALLY IS the AC.....

the way he talks, even in private.

We will see soon enough...

Stephen >>>>>>>>>>

Alice said...

WV, I agree. He's a TOTAL embarrassment and it's infuriating.

But will this story make main stream? Will the American Jewish community even KNOW about it? And how many of them are completely disconnected from Israel anyway, and could care less?... :(

Robin said...

Stephen, Daniel 11:37 tells us about the Antichrist:


37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.


Note he won't desire women . . .Sarkozy is a very well known European playboy. There's even some speculation, his ruling power is coming to an end soon. Frankly, I think we should be more focused on the shameful way Obama responded.

Mrs.C said...

Hi Sister Alice, :)
Ohhhh...ya....it hit the "mainstream" alright...
Healine from Fox (also was on JP)

"Israeli PM Target of Open-Mic Diss"
"Sarkozy Overheard Telling Obama He "Can't Stand" Netanyahu "

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/11/08/sarkozy-overheard-telling-obama-cant-stand-netanyahu/

God Bless!

BWest said...

Hello all. Can anyone help me with Isaiah 17 and exactly which nations/organizations will make up Israel's enemies in that battle? My understanding is it will involve Syria, Gaza and the West Bank, but are there others?

Thank you and God bless.

Mrs.C said...

Hi Sister Robin, :)
Yes indeed, the imposter-in-chief's behavior should be our focus! The WH imposter-in-chief and his side kick sarkosy (aka the wimp and the shrimp) were really exposed, and put any speculation as to their disdain for Israel.
Its amazing to me, when you think about how the medium of all facets of the media, got the imposter elected, and now, that same media is used to expose him.
God was behind this exposer, of the truth of these people. The media was also exposed as to the cover-ups they procured. Whew, as if the imposters treatment of Bibi a little bit ago, wasnt bad enough, (ie. having Bibi shuttled to the WH in a van, entering the back door, and then making him wait for hours) surely God has let Bibi definitely know that he can no longer trust or rely on any U.S. or European allies. Im reminded of this from the disgusting NY Times...

"Obama: Man of the World"

Published: March 6, 2007

"Mr. Obama recalled the opening lines of the Arabic call to prayer, reciting them with a first-rate accent. In a remark that seemed delightfully uncalculated (it’ll give Alabama voters heart attacks), Mr. Obama described the call to prayer as “one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset.” "

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/06/opinion/06kristof.html?_r=1

God Bless!

WVBORN56 said...

Bwest, Isaiah 17/Psalms 83 are the countries that immediately surround Israel....like Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Gaza as well as terrorist organizations like Hamas and Hezbollah as I understand it.

Ezekiel 38-39 would be countries that are on the outer ring of Israel like Turkey, Northern Africa, Iran, and Russia.

There may be some minor differecnces but that is the basic jist. The best way I think to visual the countries involved with each war are the inner (Isaiah 17) and outer ring (Ezekiel 38-39) of countries that surround Israel.

Others may be able to add some detail beyond the basic concept I am sharing.

Robin said...

Hello, BWest :)

My Bible Study group is doing Isaiah this year and coincidentally, we wrapped up 17 last week. While the official take on this chapter was that it was an historical event that took place when the Assyrians defeated the Arameans in 732 BC . . .it's thought by many, myself included, that the prophecy wasn't completely fulfilled. Number 1, Damascus is listed as the oldest inhabited city of over 5000 years old. That would mean, Damascus couldn't have been destroyed. Number 2, the Assyrians didn't turn to God following their take over of Israel because it was the Israelis that were dispersed, not Assyrians and they haven't yet to this day, turned their eyes to God.

Edomites is Jordan and some of the West Bank in Israel.

Ishmaelites are the Arabs.

Ammonites Is Jordan

Moabites Is Jordan

Philistia is Gaza

Amalekites is in the South of Israel / Gaza

Assyria is Syria and part of Turkey and Iraq

The decedents of Lot settled in Jordan

Gebalites is Lebanon

Hagrites are in Jordan . . .Arabs


It's important to understand, when reading these scriptures, that the borders then aren't necessarily the borders today . . .thus the discrepancy between the nations described and their borders of today.

It's my understanding, Isaiah 17 deals mainly with a battle between Israel and Syria with aid from Gaza, West Bank, ie Hesbollah? But that this is but one battle in a larger war. So While Damascus and Northern Israel will be largely destroyed as a result of that battle, there could be other battle fronts as well. . .particularly the one described in Psalm 83 . . .which all together, will culminate in the battle described in Ezekiel 38-39. However . . .recent events are causing me to rethink some of that as it appears Ezekiel 38-39 appear much closer than I'd previously thought.

BWest said...

Robin & WV, thank you both so much for your explanations of Isaiah 17. They both provided clarification as I was struggling a bit with how the parties listed in Isaiah correspond to today's borders.

Others may have already mentioned this. With the way things appear to be headed with Israel and Iran (not that this couldn't change at a moment's notice if it is the Lord's will) maybe a plausible scenario would involve Israel striking Iran, severely weakening Iran. This strike is immediately followed by a responsive/retaliatory battle involving Israel, Syria, Hamas, etc in which Damascus (fulfilling Isaiah 17) is destroyed and Israel is weakened. Seeing Israel's weakened condition (which I believe is part of the prophesies), Russia, Iran and the other Gog/Magog parties rush in to try and finish off Israel, only to be stopped by God himself (fulfilling Ezekiel). Just thinking out loud, but it seems plausible in light of current events and alignments.

Either way, it truly seems like time to be looking up.

God bless

Robin said...

Hadn't considered that scenario, BWest :) Thanks for sharing it.

There's still the Psalm 83 battle that must fit into the timeline somewhere.

WVBORN56 said...

Robin some think Psalm 83 and Isaiah 17 are the same war. Others think Psalm 83 is a prayer that God answers with Isaiah 17. I generally just link them together since Psalm 83 seems to be a bit better known than Isaiah 17. Do you think they are completely different wars?

Mrs. C said...

Hi BWest, 
Isaiah 17 has yet to be fulfilled, here is the “short” version for you, and we can expand if you would like :) Psalm 83 is a Prayer, not a war, and Isaiah 17 is Gods answer to that Prayer
The Prayer
Psalm 83:13
13. O my God, make them like a wheel; as the stubble before the wind.
The Prayer Answered
Isaiah 17:13
13. The nations shall rush like the rushing of many waters: but God shall rebuke them, and they shall flee far off, and shall be chased as the chaff of the mountains before the wind, and like a rolling thing before the whirlwind.

Isaiah 17:
Israel will have fought a war involving multiple fronts.
Isaiah 17:1 – Damascus completely destroyed
Isaiah 17:2 – Jordan – Israel fights and reclaims part of the land
Isaiah 17:3 - West Bank – taken down, Israel takes Syrian captives
Isaiah 17:4-11 - Israel suffers greatly, barely survives, and God tells us why He allows this to happen to them
Isaiah 17:12-13 The enemy nations surrounding Israel- attempt to "rush in" to finish her off. This is when God does intercede, at the end. He rebukes these nations, so as His people will not be wiped out, and the people of these nations "flee a far off".
Isaiah 17:14 - Gods Word tells us that Damascus, will be gone in a day.

Israel will have fought this Isaiah 17 war, completely alone. They will barely survive, have exhausted all of their weapons and no way to resupply, and the "world" will hate them even more than they do now. Israel will no longer have to worry about the enemy nations that surrounded her, but they pay a very heavy price for this. Israel is severely wounded, and defenseless. This sets the stage for the Ezekiel 38 invasion. Israel will be in a primitive state, and so will the invading Ezekiel forces. At the same time, we have to consider the fulfillment of the Judgment that comes against the nations surrounding Israel. God had Ezekiel devote 8 Chapters in the Book of Ezekiel, to the destruction of these surrounding nations. Ezekiel 25-32
Ezekiel 25 – Jordan, Gaza
Ezekiel 26 – 28 Lebanon
Ezekiel 29 – 32 Egypt

Robin said...

I don't necessarily believe they're "different wars" but rather separate battles. Just as in the Civil War, for instance there's several different battles, staged at various sites in the North and South, the war was still the Civil War. Here's why:

The primary objective of the Psalm 83 war appears to be complete annihilation of Israel and it's very name from all of History. Of particular interest is to me, is the founding members of the Arab League:

Original Arab League founding members

it reads like a who's who of the coming Psalm 83 war. Unlike the Isaiah 17 war which deals largely with Syria.

Mrs. C said...

Hi Sister Robin, :)
Yes indeed, Isaiah 17 has not been fulfilled, and Damascus has not ever been completely destroyed, as Gods Word says it will be in Isaiah 17:1. It will indeed be “taken away from being a city”.

Damascus is still called Damascus :) It has been "conquered" by any number of enemies, and still remains "Damascus". The Syrian city of Arpad, did not surrender so easily. It took Tiglath-pileser three years of siege to conquer Arpad, then he massacred the inhabitants and destroyed the city. In 732 he advanced upon Damascus, first devastating the gardens outside the city and then conquering the capital and killing the king, whom he replaced with a governor. Damascus continued to be a city. I bring up this point because God, in His Word makes it very clear in Isaiah 17:

•Damascus will not be "conquered" , but rather no longer ever to be a city again.
Isaiah 17:1
1.The burden of Damascus. Behold, Damascus is taken away from being a city, and it shall be a ruinous heap.

•It took a length of time for Tiglath-pileser to conquer Damascus. God, in His Word, again makes it very clear. Damascus will be there in the evening, and then gone by the next morning. Gone in less than a day.

God Bless!

Mrs. C said...

Hi Sister Robin, :)
Forgive me Sister, and I say this in His Love, there is no coming war in Psalm 83. God does not say anything in His Word about a war in Psalm 83. Psalm 83 exposes "talk", a "conspiracy", by the enemies surrounding Israel, but no action. It concludes with a Prayer for the destruction of these enemies. There is no action of war described by God in context of Psalm 83, where as Isaiah 17, He does describe the actions of a horrific multiple fronted war fought by Israel, alone. :( Isaiah 17 is the answer to the Psalm 83 Prayer.
The evil in the nations surrounding Israel, is the same recycled evil that has been there for centuries. These nations that are plotting against Israel, are some of the nations that will “rush in” to attempt to finish Israel off, when Israel is severely wounded at the end of the Isaiah 17 war. It is then, that God Himself steps in, and “rebukes” them.

God Bless You Sis! :)

BWest said...

Thank you all for your replies and explanations. This has been very enlightening. One of the reasons I love visiting this site everyday.

God bless.

Mrs.C said...

Hi BWest, :)
Yes indeed, the scenario you described is spot on  It is God Himself that orchestrates both Isaiah 17 and Ezekiel 38-39 wars, for the purpose of returning fully to His People and restoring His Covenant with them. As His Word tells us, by the end of Isaiah 17, His People will have barely survived, and be suffering greatly, there will be “desolation”.
This sets the stage, for the Ezekiel 38 invasion, a retaliatory action. Israel will be completely vulnerable, have no means of defense, and be “licking their wounds” so as to speak, from the Isaiah 17 war. This is exactly where God wants them to be. He has brought them to the end of their own means, brought them to their knees. Now only He, and He alone will save them from the invading Gog forces. His full attention will be back with His People, and we, the Church will be gone! Praise God Forever!

God Bless!

Caver said...

Well, this just has to be a wee bit demoralizing for all things Jewish. Now, its flat out in the open....Israel will be helped only if its in the national interest of the country doing the helping and only to the extent its in their interest to help.

Again, brilliant by Bibi....everybody has been maneuvered into the position that their national interest is in helping Israel. Every country mentioned will go straight down the economic chute if gas goes up another $1/gal, much less doubling to tripling....if available at all.

I can't help but think of the early days when Obama treated Bibi so un-respectfully. This must really be a burr under his saddle and huge humility pill to swallow.

Go Bibi!